Review
In lecture 7-9, we learnt some methods of social network analysis, and many of them are related to graph & matrix theory. I have learnt some graph theories in high school, so I was interested in these measurements.
A social network can be represented as a graph, in which each node represents a person in the network. For ease of computation, this graph can be also represented as a matrix. Some characteristic measures in graph include nodal degree, density, geodesics, cut-point, bridge, clique, centrality and prestige etc. These different values show different characteristics of a social network, and some show the extent of importance of each node in the graph. For example, the degree centrality in a graph measures the links a node connects to others (divided into in-degree and out-degree in directional graphs), and closeness centrality measures the average geodesic distance from one node to the others.
The different measures are inspiring to me, which can conclude a complicated social network diagram into a few matrices and numbers!
When eigenrumor was being discussed, I was especially interested in the differences in ranks of blogs, and hence want to know more about social differentiation.
Topic: Social differentiation and Status Hierarchies
Phenomenon
As discussed in class, there are always some “core” people in a group, who always contribute a lot to discussion and also receive a lot of attention. In contrast, there are a lot more people discuss less and rarely noticed by others. In Hong Kong, the latter are called CD-ROM (because they are so-called “read-only”); in mainland, they are called people who read but never reply (看帖不回帖), which is usually a pejorative term.
Actually, in many social networks I have been, I am an “outsider”. But in a few social networks, I have achieved the “core” position, from my point of view. One of them is an online game which is not well known, so the players’ community is relatively small. Since I was once very active in the discussion board, my in-game-name was known by a lot of people even though I had never played with them. Below are some examples taken from Baidu Tieba, shows that there are some people recognized me and asked me questions even unrelated to the theme of the post.
Formation
Since I was once a well-known person in a community, I can tell how to become such a person.
The key is to first give out more significant and useful information. From my experience and observation, people tend to respond to those who they know well, rather than a stranger. Therefore, it is common that a post from a new user just received few replies. Hence, in a social community, as long as you give out enough significant and useful information, you will be noticed by others gradually, and then get back more response.
If we use in-degree and out-degree to measure a person’s participation in an (online) community, in-degree represents messages/replies one receives from others, and out-degree represents messages/information on gives out to others. When one increases his out-degree to a significant amount, his in-degree will increase and increase gradually, and subsequently he may be the one in the center. For the others, since they devote less effort in the participation, their in-degree and out-degree will keep at a low level, and maybe they will keep in a coterie which just includes a few people and only discuss with themselves, or will be isolated by the community.
Therefore, I think in-degree and out-degree are related, and they will be about the same eventually, as they show the activeness of a person towards this community. Take our blog circle as an example! I collected 2 sociograms below, one of which was taken from lecture notes in week 7, and the other was just grabbed from Guan Hao’s work [1]. In the first sociogram, we can see there are people who gave out a lot of comments but received less (e.g. Ling Luo), but people who receive a lot of comments usually gave out a lot (e.g. Su Jing). Now let’s look at these people in the second diagram. Since the diagram is already hard to read, I just post the data here: Ling Luo in-17 out-20, Su Jing in-25 out-24, and some new centers: Silu Li in-25 out-32, youniting in-10 out-21. We can see the “old centers” are already with almost same in-degree and out-degree, but “new centers” are with out-degree more than in-degree. It is due to time lag for others to know about them. I believe that when time passes, the in-degree and out-degree will become similar!
Impact
When a person is over well-known, his fans will wrongly believe that every word he says is correct. Nowadays, after a famous people post something on twitter or weibo, most of the comments are positive, and we can seldom see a comment doubting him. For example, below is a weibo post from Kai-Fu Lee(李開復)[2], and most of the comments are positive. Only one doubted him, “then why you argued with others?” Such a celebrity effect leads people tend to agree with their “idols”. We need to think independently, not according to the celebrity; especially he is not the authority in that area!
Reference:
[1] http://blogosphere.id3.cc/sociogram
[2] http://weibo.com/1197161814/z6PKso3qs





This is an interesting article and give me some enlightenment. I fully agree that "significant and useful information" could higher the prestige. But I doubt whether "when time passes, the in-degree and out-degree will become similar”. Just as you mentioned, I believe only the "significant and useful information" could increase in-degree. In my experience, I'll not give comments to boring articles, nor reply meaningless comments...
ReplyDeleteI think in-degree/out-degree have different meaning in different settings. For web page links (PageRank, HITS), in-degree may not be affect out-degree at all. For example, on my personal home page, I can create lots of links that link to wikipedia.org but wikipedia.org will never create links that link to my personal home page. However, just like OP said, when in-degree/out-degree are used to represent messages and replies, they do have some kind of interaction.
DeleteExactly. In our blog case, there is notable positive correlation between them.
DeleteYes Guan Hao is right. In my article, I only consider the social networks that count interactions as in-degree/out-degrees.
DeleteHowever, for Wayne's response, for example, in a forum there is a person who always gives out meaningless replies(灌水), but he will still get known by many people. Then, if he post some questions for people to discuss, people also tend to reply him rather than a new comer...
But I also agree your opinion. It's really difficult to model people's behaviour :p Maybe I should add "significance" as a multiple which also affect the relationship between in-degree and out-degree. Less significance will grow one's in-degree slower, and vice versa.
Oh, Shirley's guide to become a 大大!(don't know how to express it in English) I gotta take notes to become one.
ReplyDeleteActually, I think simply "giving out useful information" is not enough, or let's say it's not an interaction. According to my exprience, posting out info will attract little hit if you're nobody, except it's really very attractive. So imho, first step to build up one;s influence is to interact with others so that they know you and recognize you. (I guess it's also related to the atmosphere of the disscussion broad though.)
:p From your guys' replies, I really feel that trying to model people's behaviour is very difficult... I was not vigorous enough to restrict the variables.
DeleteRegarding your comment towards "interaction" rather than "information", I think both are affective in increasing one's prestige. As long as your information is useful (and maybe has helped people), you can quickly get recognized by others.
Also interaction with others is important since this is a way to get known by others too.
Your topic "Social differentiation and Status Hierarchies" is very interesting. Especial the Phenomenon part. I am curious about what game are you playing by the way.^_^
ReplyDeleteYour examples are very vivid and clear. But I don't think that I agree all with you. One of your idea is that "in-degree and out-degree are related, and they will be about the same eventually", I don't think that it fits all the social networks. For example, a celebrity cannot get the same in-degree and out-degree in Weibo because there are too many replies. His/her in-degree will always larger than out-degree but his/her prestige is high.
Yes you are right. When writing this article, I have thought of those celebrities. But before they are celebrities, they have given out a lot of information, for example, written a book published which was bought by a lot of people. We follow those people because we know their names in reality before we get online. LOL However, since the 2 worlds are different, you can say the two degrees are different. Actually like some public places which can be reach by a lot of people, to use only in/out-degree to measure people's activities is not comprehensive.
DeleteBy the way, my game is called Talesweaver, which is really an old game and not known by many people. O_o
Your critical attitude is refreshing: not relying on fame, not easily believing ppl before full investigation, etc. And as Guan Hao has commented, if restricted to your case of online community, in-degree is codependent with out-degree indeed, not sufficient or necessary however.
ReplyDeleteAs for the topic "how to become the center", from what I see, as long as we express something valuable and worth reading after serious consideration, those things will stand out eventually.
Just some girlish chat, having been away from baidu tieba for toooo long, I simply despise the atmosphere there and never wanna turn back. =____,= Or I would follow you, well if it were 10 yrs ago....(how time flies....
Indeed, there are many factors affecting the interaction in a community. My articles expresses those I think are the most important factors. I am glad that you agree with me =) Since one gives out useful information, those things will get recoginzed.
DeleteActually I don 't mind how many "fans" I have =_,= The number of followers is just vanity for me and I don't care much about it. Tieba is just a place for me to grab information, since it is fast to find related people (just type the topic), and no need to find a specific forum.
The key is to first give out more significant and useful information. That's the normal idea but I know many characters posting explosive sayings in order to be well-known quickly, usually quite irresponsible and even distorting the facts. It's true that such saying can catch the audience quickly. But that's too terrible... Maybe someone said it only for focus but ignored the large influence of the social network. And there can also be someone making use of social community to achieve his personal aim. Sometimes quite terrible ...
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that some people are just posting irresponsible sayings just to catch the public's attention. I think this is way like how rumors spread. When people are just seeking interesting things, they will not think twice and just "retweet" it. I think if most of the people can reach the epistemic level, those people who post irresponsible sayings can be distinguished by the public and won't be the focus. And this is the same for rumors.
DeleteI agree with your opinion that people tend to respond to those who they know well, rather than a stranger. From my perspective, when I want to give comments, I will think of someone at first in my mind without the friend list and so the one must be the person I know. But after commenting the person I'm familiar, I will choose the blog according to my interest and sometimes randomly.
ReplyDeleteI think your prediction is proved that when time passes, the in-degree and out-degree will become similar. I think this phenomenon comes out due to the person's psychology. When a strange person comments my blog, it will lead my interest to take attention to him and comments his blog. So someone gives a certain number of comments to others, and others will give a feedback to him when time passes.
And I'm interested in you last segment of impact. Haha, I have added Li Kaifu to my Weibo friend list. And sometimes I can't know what he says and sometimes though I know what he says, I can't comment him because I have such different experience. So I can't say his opinion is wrong though it may be different from me.
Yes, when I hear Prof. Chan talked about the topic of social differentiation and status hierarchies, I decide to change my blog post's topic into this one. Because I think this phenomenon is quite interesting to me! When a stranger come and leave a comment, I will tend to reply him and go to his blog to see what he has wrote. And then this will increase both the in-degree and out-degree of us.
DeleteActually I haven't added Li Kaifu in weibo :p But I heard that he was involved in some argument with another person so he was a controversial person recently. Perhaps your reply arouse me of another opinion: people tend to comment when he agrees with it, but tend to keep silence when he disagrees with it. You disagree with Li Kaifu and don't comment him ,but others agree and then comment. So his comments seem all positive. =p
I think in community like weibo for example, the fans give their comments to the post of a celebrity even though they can hardly get direct reply from this celebrity. So I think this way should be regarded as communication between fans of the same celebrity but not between followers and the famous people. This may help explain why after a famous people post something on twitter or weibo, most of the comments are positive because this group of people trend to hold bias but not be neutral.
ReplyDeleteHmm...You are right, famous people are usually with large in-degree but less out-degree. But I think there also some ways for the famous to convey information to the public, maybe from media, or book, or some ways else. If we also consider these situations, the famous is also conveying a lot of information to us, and get familiar by us. But if we just consider the online community, the information conveyed to us in reality is not shown. Well.. It is really hard to say whether we should count them.
DeleteThat's remind me how I comment on the other's blogs, the first time I decided to comment on others, I opened the blogURL link and click on the links of my friends giving comments and then the ones I'm familiar with, and next ......
ReplyDeleteIt's a human nature than we are speak more to well-known people becasue usually we pay less warniless on them.
Yes, we do this without double consideration, and intuitively. Thank you for providing evidence that we tend to reply to people that we are familiar with =p
DeleteFor famous people, we know him and therefore we will give comments to him, although he doesn't know us and usually not reply us... =(
Actually, for those social network based on friendship, I would wonder if the "Social differentiation and Status Hierarchies" would exist or easily be found, unless for those good looking men or ladies.. Of course, it's other story if the social network is for professional groups
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ReplyDeleteI think it is nature for people to get together around the valuable resources they need, no matter material or spiritual. Your article not only sheds light on a phenomenon in SNA, but also a better way to get along with people. It is better to give than to receive.
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